Thoughts on Transgenders?

altair said:
People should not be able to get Sex reassignment surgery until they at least sixteen. If their transgender they should be allowed to be who they are but not get Sex reassignment surgery until they are older. Unpopular opinion same as, also, trans women should not be able to participate in women's sports.
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However, I have absolutely nothing against people transitioning. People can’t change for what others perceive they should be. People should be able to be who they should be.
No one should be able to tell them differently.
There is so much hate in this world. People have paranoia and fear what they don’t know and what they don't understand.
It's hard for people to comprehend something they don't understand so they make rash statements because they cant put themselves in another persons shoes.

A transgender should be allowed to be who they are. Without anyone telling them differently.



That is a pretty awful thing to say.

Open up your mind behind your narrow view and see the world from another persons perspective. What right do you have to say that is fucked up?
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Freedom of speech and opinion, the 5th amendment of the USA. I never aim to please anyone in life but myself, and if you don’t like my opinion, then that’s too bad because that’s what American law says. Do I have to please everyone with my opinion? Nop. Just testing if there’s real freedom of speech and opinion and there isn’t because when someone has an unpopular opinion, you verbally attack them which proves my point that there’s no absolute freedom of speech and opinion even in America such as you all claim to be.
 
Naiwen said:
Freedom of speech and opinion, the 5th amendment of the USA. I never aim to please anyone in life but myself, and if you don’t like my opinion, then that’s too bad because that’s what American law says. Do I have to please everyone with my opinion? Nop. Just testing if there’s real freedom of speech and opinion and there isn’t because when someone has an unpopular opinion, you verbally attack them which proves my point that there’s no absolute freedom of speech and opinion even in America such as you all claim to be.
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If this felt like an attack I apologize. I did come off quite strong and for that I apologize.
I was trying to say try to be in another person shoes. Try and see their viewpoint which I do believe you should do.
 
altair said:
If this felt like an attack I apologize. I did come off quite strong and for that I apologize.
I was trying to say try to be in another person shoes. Try and see their viewpoint which I do believe you should do.
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Which I do. But I never aim to please anyone with my opinions, being a true advocate of freedom of speech and opinion, I am blunt and straightforward, I’m not small-minded because I understand your beliefs and opinions, though I don’t agree with it, I do commiserate with your pain and suffering as I do myself have some gender dysphoria and body dysmorphic disorder so I can empathize with you. It’s just I think the whole process of transition is fucked up. I personally wouldn’t do it myself. I’ve been taught to be genuine, sincere and honest and not to beat around the bush or to sugar-coat anything by my parents, that’s just the way I’ve been brought up. I have taken no offence, so apologies unnecessary.
 
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Naiwen said:
Which I do. But I never aim to please anyone with my opinions, being a true advocate of freedom of speech and opinion, I am blunt and straightforward, I’m not small-minded because understand your beliefs and opinions, though I don’t agree with it, I do commiserate with your pain and suffering as I do myself have some gender dysphoria and body dysmorphic disorder so I can empathize with you. It’s just I think the whole process of transition is fucked up. I personally wouldn’t do it myself. I’ve been taught to be genuine sincere and honest and not to beat around the bush or to sugar-coat anything by my parents, that’s just the way I’ve been brought up. I have taken no offence, so apolitical unnecessary.
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I was born female and happy being female.
I am not transgender.
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That said
I do take in everyones points of view.
That is a great perspective to have to understand peoples beliefs and opinions even if you don't agree with it. However, I read your stance and felt like you were not taking in everyones point of view. A misunderstanding. That is the past now and I will leave it as that.
No need to add that anymore.
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I disagree with the gender dysphoria term but you already know my stance.
 
altair said:
I was born female and happy being female.
I am not transgender.
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That said
I do take in everyones points of view.
That is a great perspective to have to understand peoples beliefs and opinions even if you don't agree with it. However, I read your stance and felt like you were not taking in everyones point of view. A misunderstanding. That is the past now and I will leave it as that.
No need to add that anymore.
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I disagree with the gender dysphoria term but you already know my stance.
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I’m agender personally because I hate being female or male assigned at birth. I’ve even had a forum on LGBTQ some while ago. I hate having goddamn cramps and periods myself the most and I’ve hated myself for being fat shamed in elementary and having pimples. I have been that fatty nerd Asian with glasses in my elementary class from grade 1 to 6.
 
Naiwen said:
Freedom of speech and opinion, the 5th amendment of the USA. I never aim to please anyone in life but myself, and if you don’t like my opinion, then that’s too bad because that’s what American law says. Do I have to please everyone with my opinion? Nop. Just testing if there’s real freedom of speech and opinion and there isn’t because when someone has an unpopular opinion, you verbally attack them which proves my point that there’s no absolute freedom of speech and opinion even in America such as you all claim to be.
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Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequence. You have the freedom to make those comments and not get jailed for it, but freedom of speech also doesn’t prevent others from saying something back to you that you don’t like, or from criticizing you.

Also freedom of speech isn’t the 5th amendment.
 
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Note to self..... Do not bite, do not reply, do not bite, do not reply.... Oh, bugger it, here goes.

@Naiwen I absolutely believe that everyone should have the right to freedom of belief and freedom of speech, and I would take to the streets and march and I would join a fight to protect those rights, because they are fundamental and should be universal for all regardless of the society that they live in. The only caveat being that nobody should have the right to incite violence or hatred against others.

BUT as someone mentioned above, freedom of speech and freedom of belief do not mean freedom from consequence or freedom from criticism. If you are prepared to criticise or demean a person or group of people then you must also be prepared for them to retaliate.

Personally I try not to be overly critical or insulting to people who I do not know and whose issues I can not understand, because we all have our own crap going on and we never know what someone else is going through in their life.

There are many times that I have read your posts on this forum and just thought WTF, there seems to be a huge amount of hypocrisy and contradiction. You claim to be asexual and aromantic (not sure if that is the right term) yet you post a huge amount about sex and how everyone in the world is constantly 'hitting on' you and wanting to have affairs with you. That's just one example, there are many others, things I just can't wrap my head around and feel are somehow off, but I never mention, I read the thread, I want to say something, and instead I just move on.

Partially that is because I don't know you or understand you, and I don't want to cause stress or pain or hurt by publicly saying 'hey, I think you are X or Y', and partially because I don't want to open myself up to the potential criticism in return.

So yes, your right to freedom of speech should be sacred, but it doesn't mean that you should always use it.

Just as an aside, I'm not and neither are many other people in the US as you claim that we all are.
 
I don’t give a flying fuck about what anyone thinks of me, I say things as they are, if you don't believe in me, that's on you, not me. And if anyone doesn't like my opinion and says it, I could care less about them too online because it doesn't impact me offline, so should you, @Ashlynn S, not give a damn about what anyone else thinks of you. I'm true to myself and you can't blame me for holding anti-transgenders PoVs and for having any beliefs or opinions, sure you can say something about it, I just don't care about you because you are so insignificant to me to waste a second of my time on you.
 
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Naiwen said:
Well, can you kill me or silence me over it? No, so you can't do much to me irl, no? LOL!
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What on earth are you talking about now?

In offline life I would just do my best to completely avoid you, so I really don't know what you are jabbering on about here.
 
Ashlynn S said:
What on earth are you talking about now?

In offline life I would just do my best to completely avoid you, so I really don't know what you are jabbering on about here.
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What ( mean is you can't do much to me irl, so why should I give a damn about you? That's IS what I've been wanting to say here. And people hitting on me this much has nothing to do with the fact that I hate being noticed, yes I loath myself for being attractive and beautiful and sexy and hate my own self and body for it, old 80-90 year olds with great-grandchildren wanting an affair with me with their wife just behind them. You have no idea what it's like to be aro-ace and sex-repulsed being hit on so often sexually speaking.
 
@Ash or @Terminated please lock this thread ASAP. Nothing good has come from this thread.

Before it's done, i wanted to say that all people should be treated the way they wanted to, also i read somewhere that transgenders shouldn't be allowed in their respective reassigned genders and i also agree, "Lo que natura non da, salamanca non presta".

Other than that, i'm totally in favor of transitioning.
 
Naiwen said:
Freedom of speech and opinion, the 5th amendment of the USA. I never aim to please anyone in life but myself, and if you don’t like my opinion, then that’s too bad because that’s what American law says. Do I have to please everyone with my opinion? Nop. Just testing if there’s real freedom of speech and opinion and there isn’t because when someone has an unpopular opinion, you verbally attack them which proves my point that there’s no absolute freedom of speech and opinion even in America such as you all claim to be.
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Freedom of speech doesnt mean you get to say what you want without consequence, it means you can criticize the government without fear of being silenced and that the government can not intervene with religious organizations

You have a massive misunderstanding of trans and try to support it with a massive misunderstanding of both the law and your rights.
 
Laifot said:
@Ash or @Terminated please lock this thread ASAP. Nothing good has come from this thread.
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I had a better idea. It's been taken care of. Naiwen has been permanently barred from this discussion and is taking a few months off from the community due to her toxic behavior that has occurred on and off over the span of her membership here. While I respect "freedom of speech", there are consequences when we disrespect & degrade others whether they're transgender or not. I believe common sense and respect should be reciprocated in all threads. This thread will remain open to those who would like to continue this debate in a mature fashion that holds up to the standards, terms, and conditions of Discussion Hub. Thank you.
 
Terminated said:
I had a better idea. It's been taken care of. Naiwen has been permanently barred from this discussion and is taking a few months off from the community due to her toxic behavior that has occurred on and off over the span of her membership here. While I respect "freedom of speech", there are consequences when we disrespect & degrade others whether they're transgender or not. I believe common sense and respect should be reciprocated in all threads. This thread will remain open to those who would like to continue this debate in a mature fashion that holds up to the standards of the terms and conditions of Discussion Hub. Thank you.
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I agree totally that this is an important thread but please do keep an eye on people who are not respectful of others
 
Well that certainly went downhill fast. It's a shame when people show their ignorance in such a way. I also don't know how she can claim to be anti-trans and yet also claim to know nothing about it. Surely you try and learn before you pass judgement, no?

Either way, hopefully we can have a nice, civil conversation moving forward.
 
I think that she meant that her periods are horrible and doesn't understand how can someone could possibly like the idea of going through the same pain she has every month.

I don't certainly know too much about transgender people and their feelings but anyway, everybody should be respected about how they see themselves :p

Peace!
 
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