Well, what are your thoughts on them? Mine is they are pretty fucked up. And you personally?
Thoughts on Transgenders?
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In general, I don’t think about transgender people at all unless I read or hear a news story about one who is having some kind of problem due to being transgender. Then I wonder briefly why people who aren’t transgender (or gay, or whatever else) think it’s their business to fret about other people’s sexual preferences or physical makeup that are beyond those individuals’ control, and why not leave them alone.
I am writing this as a perfectly happy woman who was born maile and still has male genitalia (with no current plans to have surgery to change that),
I think your thoughts are a very sweeping generalisation and pretty offensive to a lot of people, some of whom are possibly quite insecure about themselves because of negative comments like yours.
Personally, I think I am just as fucked up as everyone else, but no more so. You, on the other hand I think are an idiot.
Why would you do this to yourself? If you don’t mind me asking because as a woman, it’s quite unthinkable as to why you’d want a period and cramps once a month. I mean the operation is fucked up, not you personally as a transgendered man into a woman. For me personally, having periods and cramps has to be the worst thing ever. What steps are done to transition and etc? I have myself once entertained the idea of transitioning into a man. How painful is it and which gender do you prefer as a transgendered woman and why? I’m very very ignorant about the subject, I must admit, please educate me on it thanks.
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Because that is who I am, and who I have always been. It's not something that I just decided to try out, it's giving myself the ability to actually feel like me, and any amount of discomfort, hormonal imbalance, and needing to tolerate misunderstanding and prejudice, is worth it.
I will share here what I wrote on Facebook a year ago when I finally found the courage to live fully as the person I am.
I'm 34 years old.
For at at least 29 of them, or as long as I can remember, I have known that something was not right.
For about 25 of them, I have known what was not right but not had the ability to be honest about it with myself or anyone much else.
For about 19 of them, I have been two people, both only half selves, the one I am in public and to most of the world, and the one I am when I am alone and who is the real me, the one who feels happy about herself.
Today I have taken the decision to stop trying to pretend to myself and the world that being two half people, one hidden and the other unhappy, works in any way.
I am Ashlynn.
I have been since I was a little girl who the world thought was a little boy, and I still am today. The only difference is that now I am standing and smiling shyly at the world for the first time as myself.
And to answer your question about which gender I prefer, I assume you mean who I am sexually attracted to? In which case I am a straight woman attracted to men.
Which gender do you prefer to be and why?
I think you are missing the point here, I have always in my mind been female, since I can remember, it's just that my body was not as it should be. Also, society had a different perception.
So I prefer being female because that is who I am.
Yep sorry about that. Because I think men have it all personally. Do you prefer having female genitalia or male and why? Because I myself think having cramps and periods is the worst thing EVER for me personally. How do you deal with it personally as a trans woman? If I can’t deal with it myself, I can’t imagine anyone else wanting to deal with that, IMPO.
As trans women who go through the surgery do not have a womb or ovaries, trans women do not experience periods or the various associated symptoms.
Speaking as a trans woman, I strongly suggest you educate yourself on the subject before you make sweeping statements.
Honestly, if people are happy, then as long as they aren't hurting anybody else, let them be. It's obviously something that's difficult to understand for somebody who isn't going through the same situation but people just need love and support.
People concern themselves with things way too much these days.
People concern themselves with things way too much these days.
Woah, I did not see this earlier.
Everyone is welcome to discuss the topic but in a respectful manner. If that can't happen, we will have to lock the thread because saying "they are pretty fucked up" is not okay @Naiwen. That's a pretty shitty thing to say.
As long as someone is happy, I'm happy for them. Why should I be able to dictate or be angry with how someone wants to live.
Everyone is welcome to discuss the topic but in a respectful manner. If that can't happen, we will have to lock the thread because saying "they are pretty fucked up" is not okay @Naiwen. That's a pretty shitty thing to say.
As long as someone is happy, I'm happy for them. Why should I be able to dictate or be angry with how someone wants to live.
I'm in agreement with @Ash. He summed it up perfectly.
I believe making remarks or opinions degrading a person's sexual orientation or gender is immoral, disrespectful, distasteful, and most of all it won't be tolerated. It holds no place on Discussion Hub. That's not what this community is about.
@Naiwen I think you should debate respectfully and without sophistry, without the use of offensive fallacious arguments such as the Argumentum Ad Hominem that you used in your statement. People should have the freedom to do what they want with their life so long as it's not hurting anyone else.
I believe making remarks or opinions degrading a person's sexual orientation or gender is immoral, disrespectful, distasteful, and most of all it won't be tolerated. It holds no place on Discussion Hub. That's not what this community is about.
@Naiwen I think you should debate respectfully and without sophistry, without the use of offensive fallacious arguments such as the Argumentum Ad Hominem that you used in your statement. People should have the freedom to do what they want with their life so long as it's not hurting anyone else.
It doesn't really affect me at all, because it's not my life. It might be a bit awkward at first if I knew the person before they transitioned, and I'll eventually get the habit of their old name out of my system, but if I met someone after the transition, I'll only know them by their new name and gender.
For what it's worth, I think it's ok to express anti-trans views if that's how you actually feel, but I do feel it's important to do at least a little bit of research into the subject before making sweeping generalizations or derogatory comments. Just saying that you're opposed because you don't understand it is pure ignorance and shows a complete lack of understanding for what being trans is; however, if you have taken the time to try and understand it and you still don't agree with it, for whatever reason, then I see no reason to censor those opinions, provided they are articulated better than what has been seen here.
I've had interactions with anti-trans individuals who were perfectly respectable and, while I obviously disagreed with their stance, they at least took the time to rationalize as they saw it without being offensive and they took the time to at least read and try to understand it from a trans perspective.
I've had interactions with anti-trans individuals who were perfectly respectable and, while I obviously disagreed with their stance, they at least took the time to rationalize as they saw it without being offensive and they took the time to at least read and try to understand it from a trans perspective.
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So have I, and while I'm never going to really be able to understand their point of view (because really what difference or harm can somebody else's gender do to anyone), I am willing to interact with those people and try to express that.
I have also unfortunately had interactions with the other kind of anti-trans people, who make sweeping judgements, offensive statements, and generally aim to hurt and demean.
That is why I was potentially more reactive, snappy, and defensive than necessary in my first post in this conversation, so apologies to all.
Oh, absolutely, I've had interactions with those same types of people, had those same things said and faced the vitriol for simply existing. It's absolutely alright to be defensive when ignorance is shown, I think you handled yourself appropriately in the face of what was said. It's easy to preach understanding when it comes to rational minds, it's another when it comes to ignorance and hatred. They say discretion is the better part of valour, but that's easy to say until you're faced with something as dehumanizing as the go-to arguments and those repeated stereotypes aimed at your direction. You have every right to be defensive when ignorance is shown, don't ever apologize for that!
IMO, there's only one person who needs to apologize and it certainly isn't you.
Maybe, but I didn't need to react, I could have just ignored it.IMO, there's only one person who needs to apologize and it certainly isn't you.
No, what happened, happened and couldn't have happened any other way. When people make offensive statements that is hurtful and immorally wrong, they need to be called out on it so they can learn not to do it. @Kylie is correct.
People should not be able to get Sex reassignment surgery until they at least sixteen. If their transgender they should be allowed to be who they are but not get Sex reassignment surgery until they are older. Unpopular opinion same as, also, trans women should not be able to participate in women's sports.
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However, I have absolutely nothing against people transitioning. People can’t change for what others perceive they should be. People should be able to be who they should be.
No one should be able to tell them differently.
There is so much hate in this world. People have paranoia and fear what they don’t know and what they don't understand.
It's hard for people to comprehend something they don't understand so they make rash statements because they cant put themselves in another persons shoes.
A transgender should be allowed to be who they are. Without anyone telling them differently.
Open up your mind behind your narrow view and see the world from another persons perspective. What right do you have to say that is fucked up?
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However, I have absolutely nothing against people transitioning. People can’t change for what others perceive they should be. People should be able to be who they should be.
No one should be able to tell them differently.
There is so much hate in this world. People have paranoia and fear what they don’t know and what they don't understand.
It's hard for people to comprehend something they don't understand so they make rash statements because they cant put themselves in another persons shoes.
A transgender should be allowed to be who they are. Without anyone telling them differently.
That is a pretty awful thing to say.
Open up your mind behind your narrow view and see the world from another persons perspective. What right do you have to say that is fucked up?
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